Czosnek i cebula

[Vaisnava-Krpa]

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Although far from comprehensive and obviously directed towards reasons we do
not eat onions and garlic the following notes considered relevant have been
compiled. (we recognise that there are claimed to be many medicinal benefits
from the said foods but our busineess is to support Srila Prabhupada's
statements about them.
your servant
Janananda Gosvami


ONIONS AND GARLIC
PROHIBITED AND AGITATING

Indian man: Relieving high blood pressure, best is garlic.
Prabhupäda: Garlic.
Indian man: Garlic, you don't want it. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: Garlic, onions, prohibited.
(Room Conversation -- October 9, 1976, Aligarh)

Reporter (6): What about onions...?
Prabhupäda: Yes, onions is also very agitating.
(Conversation with News Reporters -- March 25, 1976, Delhi)

(Srila Prabhupada mentioned many times to his disciples they should refrain
from using
Onions and garlic)


Many people ask the question why is it that in the Hare Krishna movement we
do not eat onions and garlic. After all they vegetables are they not. Of
course it is not only us who keep them out of our diets but Jains, many
Buddhists, many Hindus, and even some Christians apparently.

Several years ago the question was raised in the Back to Godhead magazine

Question:
I can understand the prohibition against meat-eating. But what's wrong with
eating garlic and onions? Surely there's no more violence committed when we
eat an onion than when we eat a potato. Is it considered sinful to eat
garlic and onions?
Ranjeet Sharma
Durban, South Africa

Answer:
"Eating onions and garlic adversely affects one's consciousness. Why?
Because the modes of goodness, passion, and ignorance influence every living
thing -- human, animal, or plant -- and we learn from the Vedic literature
that onions and garlic are in the lower modes of nature: passion and
ignorance. In spiritual life one should cultivate the mode of goodness and
avoid the lower modes.
Sin in its broadest sense is any activity that hinders our spiritual
advancement. Since eating foods in the modes of ignorance and passion
hampers our Krsna consciousness, Vaisnava spiritual masters teach their
followers to give up onions and garlic. Most important, as aspiring devotees
of Krsna we eat only what we offer Him. And His great devotees tell us He
doesn't eat onions and garlic."
The foul breathe and sweat of anyone who has consumed garlic is enough to
turn many off. Not only the breathe but the whole body may reek.

Although the above may satisfy the faithful it does not give substantial
scriptural, historic, scientific or medical evidence.

We will try to present some other evidences as to why no onions and garlic
-especially see the Vedic conclusions at the end.


CONSCIOUSNESS
Eating onions and garlic adversely affects one's consciousness. Why? Because
the modes of goodness, passion, and ignorance influence every living
thing-human, animal, or plant-and we learn from the Vedic literature that
onions and garlic are in the lower modes of nature: passion and ignorance.
They cause a disturbance, and even pain and sickness to those who eat them.
In spiritual life one should cultivate the mode of goodness and avoid the
lower modes.

In Bhagavad Gita (17.9) Krsna states that 'Foods that are too bitter, too
sour, salty, hot, pungent, dry and burning are dear to those in the mode of
passion. Such foods cause distress, misery and disease.' Onion and garlic
fall in this category. They excite the baser instincts and make it difficult
for one to control the senses. The prohibition on onion, garlic etc. is
implicit, by virtue of their characteristics.

HISTORY

There are several stories about the actual appearance of onions and garlic
in this world - here are a few:

(The following story was kindly provided by HH Bhakti Purusottama Swami)
One ayurvedic doctor had told me that this description is there in Ayurveda:
When Lord Vishnu in His Mohini form was distributing nectar to demigods two
demons named Rahu and Ketu sat down along with the line of Demigods. By
mistake the Lord served them nectar into their mouths. Immediately the lord
was informed by the Sun and Moon that those two were demons.
As soon as the Lord came to know of this He cut off the heads of both
demons. By that time nectar had not passed through their throats. It was
still in their mouths. When the Lord cut of their heads , the heads were
separated from their bodies. Thus nectar did not pass to the stomach but
fell on the ground . (That is the reason why Rahu and Ketu's head are still
alive but their bodies were finished.)
When their heads were cut off garlic and Onions manifested from this nectar
which fell on the ground from the mouth of the two demons. Thus Garlic and
Onions are regarded as nectar but not used for the Lord because these are
remnants of demons having touched their mouths. Even the nectar touched the
mouths of these two demons still garlic and onions act like nectar in curing
the diseases. But they are not meant for Vishnu or Vaishnavas.
The doctor told me that whoever will eat garlic and Onion, their body will
Be very strong like demons body and at the same time their intelligence also
will be contaminated like the intelligence of demons.

Here is another historical account:
"Once, in Satya Yuga the rishis were performing gomedha and asvamedha
sacrifices for the welfare of the whole universe. A cow or a horse would be
cut into pieces and placed in the fire. Afterwards the rishis would utter
mantras and the same animal would come alive in a beautiful young body. One
time the rishi who was about to perform a gomedha sacrifice, his wife was
pregnant. She had a very strong desire to eat and she had heard that if,
during pregnancy one has a desire to eat and does not fulfill this, then the
baby that will be born will always have saliva coming from its mouth. Very
strangely, she desired strongly to eat meat, thus she decided to keep one
piece of meat of the cow's body that was offered in sacrifice. She hid it
and was making a plan to eat it very soon. At that time the rishi was
finishing the sacrifice and uttered all the mantras for the new young cow
tocome to life. However when he saw the new cow, he noticed that there was a
little part missing from her left side. He went into meditation and realized
that his wife had taken away a piece of meat during the sacrifice. Now his
wife also understood what happened and quickly threw the meat far away in a
field. Due to the effect of the mantras uttered by the rishi there was now
life in this piece of meat. Then the bones in that piece of meat became
garlic and the meat became onions in that field. Thus these foods are never
taken by any Vaishnava devotee because it is not vegetarian. Plus it is in
the mode of ignorance."

Another historic reference:

From the Puranic Encylopedia by Vettam Mani (under CANDRA VI.), (Kamba
Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda and Bhagavata, Astama Skandha. Kamba Ramayana is a
Tamil text by poet Kambar):

"Solar eclipse according to the Puranas. The Devas and the asuras jointly
churned Ksirabdhi wherefrom emerged Dhanvantari with the Amrtakumbha (pot of
nectar). But an asura mayavi (magician) called Saimhikeya absconded to
Patala with the Amrtakumbha which nobody noticed as everybody was busy with
dividing other divine objects. Only after the mayavi's disappearance was it
noticed that the Amrtakumbha was missing. At once Mahavishnu assumed the
figure of a beautiful woman, got back the Kumbha and gave it to the devas.
The devas began drinking the amrta when, at the instance of some other
devas, Saimhikeya, the mayavi, assuming the form of an old Brahmin reached
svarga, got a share of the amrta and began to drink it. Surya and Candra
(Sun and Moon) who were on guard at the gates divined the secret of the 'old
Brahmin' and informed Mahavishnu about it. He cut the throat of the
pseudo-Brahmin with his Sudarsana Chakra. But, half of the nectar he had
drunk stayed above the throat and the other half below it. Therefore, though
the head and the trunk were severed they remained alive. These two parts, in
course of time, evolved as Rahu and Ketu.

When the throat was cut some blood dropped on on the ground, and became the
red onion and the white onion (garlic) respectively. So both onion and
garlic originated from the throat and blood of the demons or asuras, thus
their consumption brings us closer to tamo guna (mode of ignorance) which
characterizes the nature of the demons and thus is detrimental to Bhakti."


CONTROL OF MIND: ROLE OF DIETARY REGIMEN

Onions have, almost since prehistoric time, been attributed aphrodisiacal
properties. They are mentioned in many classic Hindu texts on the art of
making love, they were the most used aphrodisiac in ancient Greece, and they
are frequently included as an ingredient in Roman and Arab recipes.
Garlic is a natural aphrodisiac. Even Dr. Robinson, an eminent sexologist of
America considered it so. It is a tonic for loss of sexual power from any
cause, Sexual debility, impotency from over indulgence in sex and nervous
exhaustion from dissipating habit. It is said to be especially useful to old
men of high nervous tension and diminishing sexual power.
Onion and garlic are forbidden for the pregnant mother because the child's
body is too delicate and new for him to tolerate such pungent food.
Restrictions and precautions to be taken by the pregnant mother, as
enunciated in the smrti scriptures of Vedic literature, are very useful.
Many ancient cultures recognized the aphrodisiac effects of onions and
garlic and highly recommended them for those who wished to increase their
sexual potency and discouraged them for those who were on the spiritual
path, as they irritate the mind and senses.
Onion is one of the most important aphrodisiac foods. As an aphrodisiac,
onion stands second only to garlic. It increases libido and strengthens the
reproductory organs. Onion aids in spermatogenesis i.e. increases production
of sperms.

BUDDHISTS AVOID ONIONS AND GARLIC

One reason is because in ancient Buddhist Tao writings, one sage Tsang-Tsze
described the Alliums as the "five fragrant or spicy scented vegetables" ,
and that each have a detrimental effect on one of the following five organs
- liver, spleen, lungs, kidneys, and heart.

Tsang-Tsze said that these pungent vegetables contain five different kinds
of enzymes which cause "reactions of repulsive breath, extra-foul odour from
perspiration and bowel movements, and lead to lewd indulgences, enhance
agitations, anxieties and aggressiveness," especially when eaten raw

Onions are well known for attracting bacteria, and it is said that a peeled
onion in a sick room will draw the infectious microbes. Many diseases are
spread therefore from chopped onions at salad bars. They are a tamasic food
with some medicinal application though we avoid them for their rajasic and
tamasic qualities,
(Thanks to Kurma prabhu for above references)


ALLIUM FAMILY

You may know that onions and garlic are botanical members of the Allium
family - along with leeks, chives and shallots. According to Ayurveda,
India's classic medical science, foods are grouped into three categories -
sattvic, rajasic and tamasic - foods in the modes of goodness, passion and
ignorance. Onions and garlic, and the other Alliums are classified as
rajasic and to some extent tamasic, which means that they increase passion
and to some degree ignorance.
Rajasic and tamasic foods are also not used because they are detrimental to
meditation and devotions. Of course some of the Alliums have specific health
benefits; garlic is respected as a natural antibiotic. In recent years, the
cardiovascular implications of vegetable Alliums has been studied in some
detail, although the clinical implications of onion and garlic consumption
from this point of view are not well understood (Block 1992; Briggs et al.
2001). Nevertheless, despite medical comings and goings, alliums are still
avoided by spiritual adherents because they stimulate the central nervous
system, can act as a natural aphrodisiac, and disturb meditation.
You may be aware that strict Buddhists also do not eat any of the Alliums
for the same reasons as adherents of India's Ayurveda - they disturb
meditation. If you visit any strict vegetarian Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, or
Japanese restaurant anywhere in the world you will most likely find no
Alliums in any of the cooking.


SCIENTIFIC AND HISTORICAL FACTS ABOUT GARLIC

Garlic and onions are libido enhancers. When you lean towards spiritualism
you lean away from the worldly things. Because of its stimulating qualities,
garlic was never part of Buddhist tradition in China or Japan, whose
practitioners felt it would upset one's spiritual balance. Garlic was never
adopted into traditional Japanese cuisine and was shunned by Zen masters.

The Greek citizenry, especially the aristocracy, firmly rejected garlic and
found its smell repugnant. Anyone smelling of garlic was considered vulgar
and was prevented from entering the temples. However, in Aristophanes' play
Wives at the Feast of Thesmophores, the women who were cheating on their
husbands found garlic the perfect cover-up for a night of indulgence.
Garlic Like the Greeks, the early Roman nobility did not embrace garlic in
their own diets but considered the herb worthy only of being fed to the
laborers and slaves, to give them strength and vigor. Any man smelling of
garlic was considered of low breeding. Horace, Roman lyric poet and satirist
(65 to 8 BCE), said of garlic in his Epodes, it is "more poisonous than
hemlock."

Hippocrates did warn that garlic "caused flatulence, a feeling of warmth on
the chest and a heavy sensation in the head; it excites anxiety and
increases any pain which may be present. When the British colonized India,
they noticed that lepers were peeling and consuming garlic non-stop. The
British began referring to leprosy as the "peelgarlic disease." Today Hindus
and Brahmins eschew garlic and onions, believing they are too stimulating
and interfere with the ability to reach a high spiritual plain in meditation
and self-reflection.

Some do not eat garlic or onions because they practice ahimsa, the
philosophy of non-violence. Concern that they might be destroying potential
life forms or souls, they recognize that a bulb of garlic, with its many
individual cloves, could possibly produce many more plants.

In Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream, the character Bottom tells the
other actors not to eat garlic or onion, "for we are to utter sweet breath."

The seventeenth century British view of garlic was solidly negative, with
expressions like, "not fit for Ladies' Palates, nor those who court them,"
or that eating garlic "was part of the Punishment for such as had committed
the horrid'st Crimes." When famous poet Percy Shelley visited Italy with his
friend Lord Byron, he was shocked and appalled to see his friend eating the
garlic that was served at a social gathering.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS ABOUT ONION

Onions contain complex sulphur compounds. When you cut into an onion, two
chemical reactions take place. First, when a knife cuts through the cells of
an onion, its enzymes release a strong odor. Second, the onion releases
allicin, a volatile sulfur gas that irritates the eyes and sends one rushing
for a tissue. One cannot deny the power of the onion on the olfactory
senses. The rich found the odor downright disgusting. From ancient history
up to the 19th century, onions were relegated as the food for the poor. The
Code of Hammurabi, known as the ancient law of Mesopotamia, shows great
concern for the needy by providing them a monthly ration of bread and
onions, a ration that comprised the mainstay of the peasant diet. As
disagreeable as the onion was to the aristocrats, the peasants devoured them
completely raw.

Apparently onions took on dual status in the attitudes in the ancient world.
In Egypt they were highly revered by the poor and eaten extensively along
with bread and beer. A small sect of Egyptian priests, however, were
forbidden to eat them. Onions may have been reviled by those in high
positions. In India Brahmins and others are also forbidden to eat onions,
even today. We're all familiar with onion breath. Perhaps that is why the
upper classes, such as the Brahmins of India, turned up their noses. In
Pompeii those "lowly vendors" who sold onions were rejected from the guild
of fruit and vegetable vendors, and had to form their own guild.

The pungent odor and awesome strength of the onion was a mystery to ancient
man. An old Turkish legend explains it rather profoundly. It tells that when
Satan was thrown out of heaven, garlic sprouted where he first placed his
left foot, and onions grew where he placed his right foot.


MEDICAL BENEFITS

There is certainly much information to indicate that onions and garlic are
beneficial in many areas of health such as the following:
Antibacterial, antifungal, blood pressure, cholesterol, circulation,
impotence, pregnancy, diabetes, as a cardioprotective, anti-oxidant, coughs
and colds, stomach conditions, cancer, garlic supplements, garlic and
cooking, for pets and other animals, festivals, synergistic effect with
other health food supplements.
However for those wishing to cultivate spiritual life they should better not
be taken even for those reasons.


GARLIC IS TOXIC - PROVEN MEDICALLY

Garlic - a Brain Poison? from GARLIC - TOXIC SHOCK! Reprinted from Nexus
Magazine, Feb/Mar 2001.
Source: From a lecture by physicist Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at the
Whole Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996.

The reason garlic* is so toxic, is that the sulphone* hydroxyl* ion
penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO [a sulfoxide*], and is a
specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this,
much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world's largest
manufacturer of ethical EEG (electro-encephalography*] feedback equipment.
We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an
encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their progress. "Well, what
happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic
in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they wouldn't touch
garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my
time.
I guess some of you ... are pilots or have been in flight tests... I was in
flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the 1950s. The flight
surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don't you dare
touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it'll
double or triple your reaction time. You're three times slower than you
would be if you'd not had a few drops of garlic."
Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned the Alpha-Metrics
Corporation. We were building biofeedback equipment and found out that
garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves. So I funded a study at
Stanford and, sure enough, they found that it's a poison. You can rub a
clove of garlic on your foot - you can smell it shortly later on your
wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like
garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the
corpus callosum* in the brain.
Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't want to use
DDT,garlic will kill anything in the way of insects. Now, most people have
heard most of their lives garlic is good for you, and we put those people in
the same class of ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century
would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to
put 'em to sleep.
If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or attention deficit
disorder [ADD], they can't quite focus on the computer in the afternoon,
just do an experiment - you owe it to yourselves. Take these people off
garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then let
them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They'll say "My God, I had
no idea that this was the cause of our problems." And this includes the
de-skunked garlics, Kyolic, some of the other products.
Very unpopular, but I've got to tell you the truth. Garlic can affect the
mind and concentration. Do not eat it if performing activities requiring
concentration and mental acuity. People who have an angry temperament or
reddish complexion should use garlic cautiously.

SASTRIC

In the Kurma Purana it is said: "One should avoid eggplant, plantain,
safflower, asmantaka, onion, garlic, sour cereal, and the sap of trees."

palandu lasunam sigrum alambum grjanam palam
bhunkte yo vai naro brahman vratam candrayanam caret
(Padma Purana, Brahma Khanda 19.10, spoken by Suta Gosvami)
O sages, one who eats garlic, onions, sigrum (a kind of plant), turnips,
bottle gourd and meat, that person should observe a candrayana fast.

vrntakam jalisakam kusumbha smantakam tatha
palandu lasunam suklam niryasan caiva varjayet
grjanam kinsukan caiva kukundanca tathaiva ca
udumbaram alavun ca jagdhva patati vai dvijah
(Hari Bhakti Vilasa 8.158,159, from Kurma Purana)
One should not eat eggplant, banana leaves, sunflower leaves and asmantaka
leaves, onions or garlic. One should not eat sour gruel (a thin watery
porridge) or the juice of the tree. One should also give up turnips and
beetroots, carrots, kinsuka, forest figs, and white pumpkin. If the twice
born persons eat these things, they all become fallen.

(It is true our acaryas do not follow the strict standard mentioned above in
all circumstances but they do follow the injunction not to eat onions and
garlic. Even then on one occasionfor the sake of preaching Srila Prabhupada
did eat some onion which was mixed in the sabji so as not to offend the host
who had not been informed of the proper standards. Prabhupada approved also
the use of carrots)

palandulasunadini jagddhva candrayanam caret
sraddhe devanpitrnprarcya khadanmamsah na dosabhak
By eating garlic and onion one becomes sinful and as atonement one should
perform Candrayana. (Garuda Purana 1.96.72)

Onion, stool-thriving pigs, Selu, garlic, Goplyusa (milk of a cow before the
lapse of ten days from calving), Tanduliya (a grain growing in faecal
rubbish) and mushrooms- all these are to be avoided. (Skanda Purana 40.9)

The householder taking the rite shall avoid heavy indigestible pulses like
Nispava, Masurika etc., stale food, defiled food, brinjals, gourds,
cocoa-nuts, garlic, onion, intoxicating beverages and all kinds of meat.
(Siva Purana 7.10-12)

(But) he should avoid stalks of lotuses, safflower, gold or silver, onion,
garlic, sour gruel, a thick fluid substance; so also chatraka (a kind of
mushroom), vidvaraha, greasy milk of a cow during the first seven days of
calving, vilaya (a particular product of milk) and mushrooms. By eating the
small red variety of garlic, blossoms of kimsuka, a gourd, so also udumbara,
bottle-gourd, a twice-born becomes fallen. (Padma Purana Vol. 42, 4.56.19b
-24)

I shall now mention those things that should always be avoided in Sraddha.
Garlic, onions, globular radish and Karambha (groats or flour mixed with
curds), and other articles devoid of smell and with no taste should be
avoided in Sraddha.The reason is also mentioned (as follows): Formerly in
the fight between devas and asuras, Bali was defeated by suras. From his
wounds drops of blood gushed out and from them these articles grew up -
hence they are avoided in the Sraddha rite. (Varaha Purana 16.11b-15)

Manu-samhita:
5.5. Garlic, leeks and onions, mushrooms and (all plants), springing from
impure (substances), are unfit to be eaten by twice-born men.

5.19. A twice-born man who knowingly eats mushrooms, a village-pig, garlic,
a village-cock, onions, or leeks, will become an outcaste.

[Gopikanta]

[Sandżaja dasa:] Jest pewna historia o żonie bramina. Ona jadła kawałek mięsa krowy i część z tego mięsa zamieniła się w marchewkę, część zamieniła się czosnek, inna część w cebulę, a krew zamieniła się w czerwoną soczewicę. Czy ta historia jest prawdziwa?

[Śrila Narajana Goswami Maharadża:] "Ona jest całkowicie prawdziwa. Tak więc nie powinniśmy jeść tych rzeczy. To co napisał Wjasadewa jest prawdą. Wjasadewa zna całą przeszłość, teraźniejszość i przyszłość. On posiada zdolność widzenia, jakie cechy są obecne w każdej żywej istocie. Na przykład, Bhagawad-Gita opisuje sattwikę (nastrój dobroci), tamasikę (nastrój ignorancji), radżasikę (nastrój pasji) oraz nirgunę (transcendentalną) naturę różnych osób, roślin, pokarmów, czynności, wiedzy, itp."

Następująca historia została opowiedziana przez sługę Śrila Narajana Goswamiego Maharadża, Śripad Madhavę Maharadża: [Amerykańscy naukowcy w swoich laboratoriach odkryli, że zarówno w czosnku jak i cebuli znajduje się 21 różnych szkodliwych (trujących) substancji, więc to nie jest niewinne jedzenie. W Satja-judze, mędrcy składali ofiarę z gomedhy (krowy) oraz z aswamedhy (konia), dla korzyści i dobrobytu całego wszechświata. Bardzo stara krowa lub koń musiał zostać złożony w ofierze, poprzez pocięcie na kawałki, które następnie umieszczane były w ogniu. Następnie Rśi recytowali mantry i to samo zwierze ożywało w pięknej i młodej postaci (w młodym ciele).

Pewnego razu, ciężarnej żonie mędrca, który miał wykonać ofiarę gomedha, bardzo silnie zachciało siej się jeść. Słyszała ona, że jeśli podczas okresu ciąży ma się pragnienie aby coś zjeść i się go nie zaspokoi, wtedy nowo narodzone dziecko urodzi się z wiecznym ślinotokiem z ust. To byłoby bardzo dokuczliwe dla obojga, dla matki, jak i dla dziecka.

Żonie mędrca bardzo zachciało się zjeść mięso, dlatego ona ukradkiem zabrała jeden kawałek (plaster) mięsa pochodzącego z ciała krowy, która była składana w ofierze. Ona ukryła to mięso i planowała aby je niedługo zjeść. Później, mędrzec kończył składanie ofiary oraz recytowanie wszystkich mantr, mających na celu aby krowa wróciła do życia. Jednakże, kiedy zobaczył on nową krowę, zauważył, że brakuje jej małego kawałka z jej lewej części ciała. Był bardzo zaskoczony, ponieważ to nigdy wcześniej mu się nie przydarzyło. Pogrążył się więc w medytacji i uświadomił sobie (zrealizował), że jego żona zabrała część mięsa, podczas wykonywania ofiary.

W związku z mantrami recytowanymi przez mędrca, w efekcie pojawiło się życie w tym kawałku mięsa. Żona mędrca również wtedy zrozumiała co się stało i szybko wyrzuciła to mięso. Wkrótce potem, z krwi tego mięsa wykiełkowała i wyrosła czerwona soczewica, czosnek wykiełkował i wyrósł z kości tego mięsa (zarówno czosnek jak i kości są białe), a cebula i marchew wyrosły z samego mięsa. W związku z tą historią, te warzywa nie są spożywane przez żadnego Wisznuitę (Waisznawę). To pożywienie (te warzywa) znajduje się w sile ignorancji.]

[Wielbiciel może zapytać: "Czemu nasz Śrila Prabhupada - Śrila A.C. Bhaktiwedanta Swami Maharadża zezwolił na jedzenie marchewek, jeśli są one takie złe? Odpowiedz, została łaskawie udzielona nam przez samego Śrila Prabhupadę, w Bostonie, w 1969 roku. Powiedział on, że: "Jeśli powiedziałbym wam o wszystkich zasadach i wytycznych, stalibyście się bardzo słabi (mdleli byście). Tak więc, podążajcie tymi zasadami, które wam dałem i utrzymajcie je w równowadze poprzez intonowanie Hare Kryszna." On zawsze mawiał, że podąża zasadami, które otrzymał od swojego Guru Maharadża, to wszystko po to, aby najpierw skłonić ludzi z zachodu do intonowania Hare Kryszna, a kiedy będą bardziej w tym ugruntowani, wtedy zasady i regulacje będą pojawiać się stopniowo.]

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[Vaisnava-Krpa]

Pytanie czy marchewka, która rośnie u nas i jest pomarańczowa jest tą o której mowa, bo byłem w Indiach i tam widziałem marchew faktycznie czerwoną jak buraki. Nawet pytałem co to jest. Tak jak tylko czerwona soczewica jest tu wymieniona a inne rodzaje nie, czy tak samo jest z marchewką? Tak wogóle to o marchewce wiem od stosunkowo niedawna, z 18 lat temu słyszałem, że Trivikrama Swami nie lubi marchewki, a to zapewne chodziło o wzgląd na tą historię. Ja wcześniej myślałem, że wydziwia, wybrzydza w naszym polskim klimacie, gdzie marchew jest jednym z ważniejszych warzyw.

[Kedarnath dasa]

z 18 lat temu słyszałem, że Trivikrama Swami nie lubi marchewki, a to zapewne chodziło o wzgląd na tą historię. Ja wcześniej myślałem, że wydziwia, wybrzydza w naszym polskim klimacie, gdzie marchew jest jednym z ważniejszych warzyw.

Kiedyś byłem świadkiem, jak Maharajowi zaserwowano na obiad sabji, w którym była marchew pokrojona w kształt gwiazdek - Maharaj spojrzał na talerz i poprosił o kitri, które bhaktowie świątynni mieli na śniadanie
Przepraszam za off topa

[Purnaprajna]

Niektóre tłumaczenia sanskryckich słów odnoszących się do pożywienia, czy napojów nie muszą być odpowiednikami lokalnych/zachodnich produktów. Śrila Prabhupada jadł zarówno oberżynę, jak i marchewkę. Sam robił z marchewki halawę, którą potem częstował Krysznę i Jego bhaktów. Dla mnie to wystarczający dowód, że można je jeść. Dlatego podejrzewam, że w przypadku Trivikrama Swamiego jest to po prostu jego osobista preferencja, i nic poza tym.

[surya108]

Co do marchewki myślałem, że to wymysł Gaudia Matha ale sprawdziłem już nie pamiętam na jakiej stronie, że w wisznuickiej sampradaji od pana Śiwy również nie jedzą marchwi i na dowód przytaczają tę samą historię zamieszczoną przez prabhu Gopikantę. Swoja drogą ciekawe jak jest w Sri, Nimbarka, Madhva sampradaji czy u gaudia babajich. Może ktoś wie?
Osobiście uważam, że unikanie wymienionych produktów ma znaczenie szczególnie dla brahmaczarinów, którym łatwiej utrzymać celibat. Co do grzybów i orzeszków ziemnych to zawsze po ich spożyciu czuję się śpiący i przygnębiony. Marchew, pietruszka, seler jako korzenne (tamiczne) też subtelnie stymulują seksualnie, stąd niechęć brahmaczarinów, guru i joginów

[Visakha]

W niektórych ścisłych dietach wegetariańskich mogą powstawać niedobory witamin z grupy B. Wynika to między innymi ze śle skomponowanej diety. Dlaczego wegetarianie powinni unikać czosnku i cebuli?
Obliczono, że przeciętnie w jelicie grubym zdrowego człowieka znajduje się około 1 kilograma bakterii. Biorą udział w produkcji witamin - B1, B2, B12, kwasu nikotynowego, kwasu foliowego, enzymów trawiennych, kwasu mlekowego, octowego, propionowego i masłowego oraz kwasów tłuszczowych. Niekorzystne zmiany w składzie mikroflory jelit mogą wynikać z przyjmowania antybiotyków zawartych m.in. w czosnku i cebuli. Ząbki czosnku zawierają olejek lotny (zwany olejkiem czosnkowym) z alliiną i enzymem allinazą, który po roztarciu czosnku zamienia allinę w allicynę (związek o charakterystycznym zapachu i bakteriobójczych właściwościach). Cebula ma właściwości bakteriobójcze, niszczy także bakterie oporne na działanie antybiotyków. Właściwości bakteriobójcze cebuli wynikają m.in. z zawartości organicznych związków siarki, które są aktywne nawet w bardzo małych stężeniach.